你可能认为自己从未听说过Laszlo Hanyecz，这名在线上零售公司GoRuck上班的佛罗里达程序员。而事实上你错了——Hanyecz就是在2010年5月22日用10000枚比特币从棒!约翰（Papa John’s）购买两个披萨饼背后的那个人，正是这次颇具启发性的购买才让我们有可能在上周举行比特币披萨节8周年纪念日庆典。
You may think you've never heard of Laszlo Hanyecz, a Florida programmer working for the online retail company GoRuck. In fact, you were wrong — Hanyecz was the one who bought two pizzas with 10,000 bitcoins on May 22, 2010. It was this enlightening purchase that made it possible for us to celebrate the eighth anniversary of Bitcoin Pizza last week.
但这笔交易不可能只涉及到一个人。Jeremy Sturdivant，也叫Jercos，也参与了那笔最初的比特币披萨交易，他就是那笔10000枚比特币交易的接收人，其交换物只是两个披萨。
But the deal cannot involve only one person. Jeremy Sturdivant, also known as Jercos, was involved in the original bitcoin pizza deal, he was the recipient of the 10,000 bitcoin deal, in exchange for only two pizzas.
自比有了这笔自特币诞生以来首笔实物交易记录，比特币的用例就开始流行起来，现在客户可以用比特币进行房地产交易、网上购物、飞机预订，当然还包括购买披萨。
With this record of the first physical transactions since the birth of T.I., the usage of Bitcoin has become popular, and customers can now make real estate transactions in Bitcoin, online shopping, aircraft reservations and, of course, pizza purchases.
本周，Cointelegraph有机会同时采访了Laszlo和Jeremy两个人，他们就比特币、“比特币披萨事件”的影响以及他们最喜欢什么样的披萨发表了自己的观点。
This week, Cointelegraph had the opportunity to interview both Laszlo and Jeremy, who expressed their views on the impact of Bitcoin, the “bitcoin pizza” and what kind of pizza they preferred most.
Cointelegraph(以下称CT)：你可能经常被问到这个问题，但我还是想问。我们都知道1000枚比特币现在价值约8000万美元，你会为当初用10000枚比特币支付两个披萨而感到后悔吗？
Cointelegraph (hereinafter CT): You may be asked this question a lot, but I still want to ask. We all know that 1,000 bitcoins are worth about $80 million now. Would you regret paying two pizzas with 10,000 bitcoins?
Laszlo Hanyecz（以下称LH）：额，这个嘛，我并不后悔。我认为能以这种方式成为比特币早期历史的一部分，这种感觉很不错。人们知道有关披萨的事，这个故事很有趣，因为每个人都会发出类似的感叹，比发，“哦，天啦，你花了那么一笔钱！”我还在论坛上给人们提供技术支持，将比特币带到MacOS上，要知道，还有一些其他的东西，比如修复漏洞等等，我一直推广人们使用比特币，用它买披萨只是我的一种方法。我没想到它会变得这样受欢迎，但它确实已经成为一个很吸引人的故事。
Laszlo Hanyecz (hereinafter LH): Well, I don't regret it. I think it's a good feeling to be part of Bitcoin's early history in this way. It's interesting to know about pizza, because everybody's going to make a similar sigh, and it's going to be like, "Oh, my God, you spent that money!" I'm also providing technical support to people at the forum, bringing bitcoin to Macos, knowing that there are other things, like fixing holes and so on, and I've been promoting the use of bitcoin, and buying pizza with it is just one of my methods. I didn't expect it to be so popular, but it has indeed become an attractive story.
CT：你现在在日常生活中会使用比特币吗?
CT: Do you now use bitcoin in your daily life?
LH：是啊，我会，我会尽我所能使用比特币。这些年我用它买了很多东西，我一直与比特币软件或诸如此类的东西打交道，我试着把它作为一种爱好。
LH: Yeah, I will, I'll do what I can to use bitcoin. I've bought a lot of things with it over the years, I've been dealing with bitcoin software or something like that, and I've tried to use it as a hobby.
但我并没有在面对面付款中过多地使用比特币，我主要用它进行网上支付。这是我喜欢关注的事情之一，我更喜欢在网上使用它，至于面对面的交易，我觉得这并不是最好的方式。它往往更令人沮丧，原因是比特币应该比现在更好，对吧?
But I'm not using bitcoin too much in face-to-face payments, and I'm mainly using it for online payments. That's one of the things I like to focus on. I prefer to use it online. As for face-to-face transactions, I don't think it's the best way. It's often more frustrating, because bitcoin should be better than it is now, right?
CT：你最喜欢的加密货币是什么?
CT: What's your favorite encrypted currency?
LH：比特币！(笑)
IH: Bitcoin!
CT: 你最喜欢的披萨是什么?
What's your favorite pizza?
HT: 披萨?我喜欢至尊披萨。
HT: Pizza? I like the Great Pizza.
CT：在你最初的比特币披萨日原始帖中，你纠结到底是买披萨还是买酒店早晚盘。您理想的酒店早餐盘是什么?
CT: In your original Bitcoin Pizza Post, you wonder whether you buy pizza or a hotel dinner. What's your ideal hotel breakfast plate?
LH：哦，我不知道。我喜欢鸡蛋，培根，煎饼——呃，标准配制。
IH: Oh, I don't know. I like eggs, bacon, pancakes -- uh, standard formulation.
我来解释一下为什么我将它们作了比较——我脑海里浮现这相一幅画面，我拿起电话，说道“你好，123房间订一份早餐”，然后就记账到了我的账户，食物到我手上——我不在乎它们怎么做的。不管是订约的，还是棒!约翰的，或是谁送来的。我想做的是清楚地表明我不想有人给我寄一张棒!约翰的礼品卡，或者一张达美乐（Domino）的信用卡之类的东西——我想要食物，并打算用比特币支付食物。因为如果我能用比特币购买食物，那它就和其他钱一样真实可用，对吧?食物基本需求——如果比特币能让我吃饱，靠比特币生活也不成问题。
Let me explain why I compared them -- a picture that appeared in my head, and I picked up the phone, and I said, "Hello, have breakfast in room 123," and I took it to my account, and I had the food in my hand -- and I don't care what they did. It was contractual or awesome! John's or who sent it. I wanted to make it clear that I didn't want anybody to send me a gift card! John's gift card, or a Domino credit card -- and I wanted food, and I wanted to pay for it in bitcoin. If I could buy food in bitcoin, it was as real as any money, right?
CT：你目前的工作是否涉及使用加密货币?
CT: Does your current work involve the use of encrypted currency?
LH：我不太喜欢把它作为一项主业来做，这对我来说只是副业。我知道这对大家来说有点奇怪，但我觉得这让我觉得更有趣，而不是说着诸如“哦，好了，让我们做一些加密货币业务吧”的话或做朝九晚五的事情，我更不想成为那种发起ICO骗局或类似这样项目的家伙。
LH: I don't like to do it as a major business, and it's just a side job for me. I know it's a little weird for everyone, but I think it makes me more interesting than saying, "Oh, well, let's do some encrypted money business" or something like, like, nine or five, and I don't want to be the kind of guy who starts an ICO scam or something like that.
就在最近的工作中，我说服人们接受比特币，作为一个开发者，我把它整合到了我们的网站上。我们想看看这样的效果如何。这里的人都很兴奋，他们对我所做的一切感到兴奋。所以我们正在尝试。我现在正在把我的爱好应用到工作中，所以当你能做到这一点的时候，那就很酷了。
In my recent work, I convinced people to accept Bitcoin, and as a developer, I integrated it into our website. We wanted to see how it worked. People here are excited, they're excited about everything I've done. So we're trying. I'm applying my hobby to work, so when you can do it, it's cool.
CT：除了用比特币，你有没有想过用其他加密货币买披萨?
CT: In addition to bitcoin, have you ever thought about buying pizza in any other encrypted currency?
LH：我喜欢比特币。早期我就接触了，当时只有比特币。对我来说，90%的山寨币或其他你想怎么叫都可以的币的代码只是复制粘贴比特币的代码，他们改变了标志，或稍做修改。我对这些并不感兴趣，我所感兴趣的只有比特币。
LH: I like bitcoin. Early on, I was in touch with bitcoin. For me, 90% of the code for bounties or any other currency you want to call was just a copy of the code that pasted bitcoin, and they changed the sign or slightly modified it. I'm not interested in that, and all I'm interested in is bitcoin.
CT：你认为你原来的用比特币购买披萨的经历直接影响到你现在可以用比特币买披萨和其他食物吗?
CT: Do you think your original experience of buying pizzas in bitcoin directly affects your ability to buy pizzas and other foods in bitcoin now?
LH：我喜欢思考我起到了什么作用。但我想如果不是我，别人也会做这件事。也许不会是用来买披萨。但我认为比特币注定会变得更强大，但我也不知道支撑比特币的所有东西是什么——我的意思是，我只是一直弄了几个月，就摸出了如何挖矿，是我码了第一个GPU挖矿软件——正是这样，我才获得到了这些比特币，才能让我这样花出去。
LH: I like to think about what I'm doing. But I think if it wasn't for me, someone else would have done it. It might not be for pizza. But I think Bitcoin is meant to be stronger, but I don't know what all the stuff that supports Bitcoin is -- I mean, I've been working for months and I've figured out how to dig mine, and I'm the first GPU to dig mine software -- and that's how I got these bitcoins so I can spend it.
CT：你认为现在人们用比特币做披萨式的购物有意义吗?
CT: Do you think it makes sense now that people use bitcoin for pizza shopping?
LH:如果现在每个人都想用比特币来支付披萨，那是不现实的——他们会这样去尝试，然后会发现他们的交易久久得不到确认，让他们兴趣大减。这也是我们今天碰到的问题，不是吗?
LH: If everyone wants to pay pizza with bitcoin now, it's not realistic -- they'll try it this way, and then they'll find out their deal hasn't been confirmed for a long time, reducing their interest. That's the problem we're having today, isn't it?
去年12月，每个人高呼“比特币、比特币、比特币”，接着又发出“天啊，我的交易已经卡了12个小时了，怎么了，这东西真烂”的抱怨。人们了解它的工作原理，我们实际上也知道交易费用变化的规律等等，所以我认为这真的很令人兴奋，但我不知道它会如何发展，我认为这真的很有趣。
Last December, everyone shouted, "Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin," and then, "Oh, my God, my deal has been stuck for 12 hours. What's wrong, this thing sucks." People know how it works, we actually know how transaction costs change, and so on, so I think it's really exciting, but I don't know how it goes, and I think it's really interesting.
CT：比特币怎么才能得到更广泛的使用?
CT: How can Bitcoin be used more widely?
LH：我知道你们是在我用闪电网络购买披萨的时候就已经报道了。我感觉像闪电网络或类似这样的东西最终会成为主流并变得对人们有用。我认为，只有这样，面对面地使用比特币会变得更有趣。
LH: I know you're already reporting when I bought pizza on the lightning network. I feel that things like the lightning network or something like that will eventually become mainstream and useful to people. I think it's only then that the face-to-face use of bitcoin will be more interesting.
CT:你认为闪电网络将如何使比特币成为主流?
CT: How do you think the lightning network will mainstream Bitcoin?
LH：闪电网络也不是完美的，它存在问题，它可以在多种情况下被滥用。但它指明了一个方向并迈出了一步，而对我来说，如果像闪电网络这样的东西成功了，我想你会看到每一个在线零售商都会转而使用它，因为没有人愿意使用万事达卡，Visa卡或Paypal。
LH: The lightning network is not perfect, it is problematic, and it can be abused in a variety of contexts. It points in the direction and takes a step, and for me, if something like the lightning network succeeds, I think you'll see every online retailer switch to it, because no one wants to use a MasterCard, a Visa or a Paypal.
我认为闪电网络绝对是前进的方向，它将为人们带来更多的可用性，因为它确实能够实现即时支付，而比特币支付不是即时的。如果你接受的是零确认付款，你做的就不正确。但如果你要信任人们，那也没关系——因为信用卡上也是相同的原理——你得到的只是今天的一个承诺，还没有真正收到款。因此，在一些商业活动中，这样的模式很好，但这不是比特币的精神，你不应该相信任何人，你应该可以说“嘿，我拥有此比特币，这是加密证明。”闪电网络还可以让我们找回一些隐私，人们原本以为他们自己普拥有这样的隐私。
I think that the lightning network is definitely the way forward, and it will bring more availability to people, because it does make immediate payments, and Bitcoin is not. If you accept zero confirmation payments, you're not right. If you trust people, that's okay – because credit cards are the same thing – you get only one commitment today, and you haven't really received the money. So, in some business activities, this is a good model, but it is not the spirit of Bitcoin, and you shouldn't believe anyone, and you should say, “Hey, I have this bitcoin, which is encryption proof.” The lightning network can also give us privacy, which people thought they had.
CT：在你家人一起吃“闪电网络披萨”的照片中，你的孩子们穿着印有“I<3Bitcoin”字样的T恤，你有教育你的孩子有关比特币的知识吗?
CT: In a photo of your family eating the Lightning Web Pizza, your children are wearing T-shirts with the words “I< 3Bitcoin”. Have you taught your children about bitcoin?
LH：Liam是我的儿子，他才7岁，我的女儿Amy9岁了。他们有自己的纸币钱包，他们拥有千分之一枚比特币或类似这样的东西。我向他们展示了如何使用GDAX和类似的交易所。我在他们的电脑上做了一个书签，这样他们就可以检查价格。我向他们展示了如何将他们千分之一枚比特币乘以价格，诸如此类的东西。
LH: Liam is my son, he is 7 years old, and my daughter Amy is 9 years old. They have their own banknote wallets, and they own a thousand bitcoins or something like that. I showed them how to use GDAX and similar exchanges. I made a bookmark on their computers so they could check prices. I showed them how to multiply one in a thousand bits of bitcoins by a price, something like that.
我花时间给他们解释，他们会这样问：
I spend time explaining to them, and they ask:
——爸爸，你在干什么?
- Dad, what are you doing?
——比特币。
- Bitcoin.
——哦，比特币是什么?
- Oh, what's Bitcoin?
我的孩子还很小，我无法向他们解释市场力量和类似的东西，但是他们也懂得比特币越多越好，比特币很不错，我也参与了比特币。我试着让他们学习，我认为当他们长大后，我会试着教他们更多的技术知识。
My children are very young, and I can't explain market forces and similar things to them, but they also know that the more bitcoins, the better, the bitcoins, the better. I'm in bitcoins. I try to teach them how to learn, and I think when they grow up, I'll try to teach them more technical knowledge.
Jercos ——将两个披萨卖掉，赚了10000枚比特币的人
Jercos -- the man who sold two pizzas and made 10,000 bitcoins.
Cointelegraph也有幸采访了Jeremy Sturdivant，他就是那名参与了最初的比特币披萨交易的称为Jercos的人，他将两个披萨卖出去，收到10000枚比特币。Sturdivant告诉CT，他将Hanyecz的比特币换成了价值数百美元的法币，并用来度了一次假。他说“在某种程度上”，他在日常生活中仍然会使用比特币：“做独立的订单分包工作带来了各种形式的钱，我已经用比特币、莱特币、甚至是狗狗币来支付了。我当地的杂货店不接受它，所以除了网购外，我经常把它们在网上消费掉[...] 我有时间玩电子游戏，Steam, Humble store和其他电子游戏零售商在很多时候都接受比特币支付。当然，我大部分Steam装备都是用比特币支付购买的。”
Cointellect also had the pleasure of interviewing Jeremy Sturdivant, who was the same person who was involved in the initial Bitcos pizza deal as Jercos, who sold two pizzas and received 10,000 bitcoins. Sturdivant told CT that he had swapped Hanyecz's bitcoins for hundreds of dollars in French and used them for a vacation. He said, “To some extent, he would still use bitcoins in daily life: “In making independent subcontracts, I have paid for them in all their forms, and I've paid them in bitcoin, Letco, and even dog coins. My local grocery store did not accept them, so I used to consume them online and I had time to play video games, and steam, Humbre store and other electronics retailers were paid for by bitcoins. Of course, most of my Steam equipment was paid in bitcoins.”
当被问及他最多拥有多少枚比特币时，Sturdivant估计算上早期的挖矿和交易，比特币的数量接近4万枚：“我从未把比特币当作一种投资，与其后悔地说‘我本该成为一个百万富翁的’这样的话，我觉得更重要的是如何看待比特币披萨交易事件的心态，不将它看成一种投资，而是当作使用货币的一种形式。如果我想囤币，很可能我选择的时间或价格都会不对。”
When asked how many bitcoins he had at most, Sturdivant estimated that the amount of bitcoins was close to 40,000: “I never thought of bitcoins as an investment, but rather as “I should have been a millionaire,” I think it's more important to think about the mentality of the bitcoin pizzeria, not as an investment, but as a form of currency use. If I wanted to hoard money, it was likely that the time or price I chose would be wrong.”
Sturdivant还提到，他还在使用比特币、莱特币（LTC）和以太币(ETH)等加密货币购买或出售披萨，他说他更喜欢肉和红洋葱的披萨，尽管人们对它的喜爱程度各不相同，他还是很喜欢‘夏威夷式’披萨。返回搜狐，查看更多
Sturdivant also mentioned that he was also buying or selling pizza in encrypted currency such as Bitcoin, LTC and Ether (ETH). He said that he preferred pizza with meat and red onions, and that he liked it very much "Hianian" even though people liked it differently.
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